Over 50 And Jobless? Training Programs Offer New Hope

By Christina Scotti

Two men named Bob. Both are over 50 years old. Both had been working consistently for nearly three decades before losing their jobs in 2009. Both were out of work for more than 99 weeks.

Now there is one glaring difference. Bob Greeney is employed. Bob Sullivan is still fighting to get back into the workforce. Friendly and candid, the 61-year-old Sullivan worked in the travel hospitality industry until his former company closed its Boston branch. After taking a brief pause to care for his mother, he said, he went through job agencies, attended job fairs and applied to scores of jobs online.

"Still, no bites," said Sullivan, whose ongoing search, day in and day out, continues. "It's just a malaise you fall into. It's like having a slow disease, especially if you get rejected or don't hear back." The battle to get back to work is indisputably grueling, and Sullivan and the other roughly 4.7 million people who have been unemployed for over six months know all too well that as each month goes by the stigma of long-term unemployment can make it increasingly more challenging to find work

"If someone is out of work for a while the perception from employers is that there must be something wrong with you, and after a couple of years the people themselves begin to believe they don't have any value, that it's over for them," said Joe Carbone, creator of "Platform to Employment," a five-week program that focuses on retraining and placing "99ers" into eight-week internships with the possibility of that turning into a job. The term "99ers" refers to those out of work for 99 weeks or longer and whose unemployment benefits have run out.

"We don't see bread lines. But that despair is there, it's just behind closed doors," said Carbone.

Hopelessness, coupled with the waiting, rejection and the isolation that's often associated with long-term unemployment, are not the only issues this group faces. Simply applying to open job postings in the first place isn't always a given. Employers looking to hire can legally discriminate against the long-term unemployed.
"Telling a person, 'Don't apply if you're out of work,' was widespread,'' said Mr. Carbone, who is also president of The WorkPlace, a nonprofit devoted to assisting the long-term unemployed. "But the companies who still do it have become wiser and try to put a positive spin on it by saying 'must be employed' instead."

Greeney spent 29 years as a sports writer for a number of local newspapers before being let go as part of the consolidation effort after The Stamford Advocate was bought by Hearst Media four years ago. "I naively thought I'd be OK," said Greeney, 55. "I knew I was a hard worker, that I could multitask, deal with deadlines and deal with people."

He said he was disheartened to realize that most workers over 50 are not given the chance to reinvent themselves in a new career, and that the job market, which has roughly 300 job applicants for every one job opening, was so stagnant. "June 24th, 2009 until May 2nd, 2012. I was out of work for 1,044 days," he said.

Finally, in May 2012, three years after being laid off and following a round of testing and interviews, Greeney got a job as a Metro North ticket collector in New York City. Greeney, who was connected to his current employer through the Platform to Employment program, said he was grateful for the opportunity.

"It was my first, best and only offer I got," said Greeney, who went without insurance after his COBRA health insurance coverage ran out in October 2010.

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"Once you're in a job, you're in an entirely different category with better job options in the future," he said. According to the numbers, the pervasiveness of long-term unemployment cuts through all walks of life. The only group that stands out among the long-term unemployed is older workers, with almost half of the 3.5 million currently out of work for over a year at 45 or older, according to the Department of Labor.

"It's not new that older workers have a more challenging time," said Joan Cirillo, the president of Operation ABLE, a Boston-based nonprofit helping the 45-and-older age bracket. She explained that in the last four years they've seen things become increasingly dire for more people. "There are a lot of pre-retirees who would have liked to retire but lost a big portion of their portfolio," she said. "And those who don't find anything wind up living a limited life, tapping into their 401k and many then becoming discouraged workers."

The number of "discouraged workers," which describes those who want to work but have given up on ever finding employment, is currently 6.8 million, according to a new report from the National Employment Law Project. And while these people are not counted in the official unemployment rate, the group continues to grow.

New Training Programs Offer Hope And Help
At both Platform to Employment and Operation ABLE, a primary focus is addressing the emotional needs of the long-term unemployed: the crippling loss of confidence that plays deeply into the psyches of so many.

Mr. Carbone, P2E's creator, knows firsthand how it feels to be out of work. He said 16 years ago he was laid off and during his time between jobs he would travel twenty miles from his home so that he wouldn't have to go to his local grocery where he knew people.
"My wife got concerned when I started watching soap operas instead of cleaning up the house," said Carbone. "You just begin to lose that element of faith in yourself. You're suffering from a deprivation of hope."

The Platform to Employment is trying to revive that hope, and soon its training program, which is free to those who are accepted, is going to be offered in 10 different cities across the U.S. with a focus on helping people 50 and older. (AARP is one of the sponsors.)

Operation ABLE, which offers 6-to-13-week retraining classes that teach everything from computer and interviewing skills to getting internships to actually finding a job, is steadfast in its role.

"We work with them until they find work," said Cirillo. "We stick with them like glue and see the training as a means to an end -- and the end is a good job."

Bob Sullivan is currently enrolled in one of Operation ABLE's training programs that was paid for through SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) benefits. The former travel representative is eager for any type of work.

"I enjoy working with the public and I'm good with customer service," said Sullivan. "I am very reliable and I still feel very young."

Bob Greeney also feels young -- especially now that he no longer has the stress of finding work weighing down on him. "Every day it was 'Am I going to get hired? Will I ever get hired?'" said Greeney. "So after my interview with Metro North, I walked down to St. Patrick's Cathedral and said a prayer."

Greeney found out that he got the job right before Christmas, on his mother's seventy-ninth birthday. (He was hired in December 2011, but did not officially start until May 2012.) "It was fantastic. There had been a lot of despair and she felt like her prayers had been answered," he said.

Four years after the official end of this recession, Carbone said there needs to be more done surrounding this issue -- in both preventing discrimination through legislation and incentivizing companies to hire the long-term unemployed.

"We can't give up," he said. "As this economy gets back on its feet, sometimes I think [the long-term unemployed] are the sacrificial lambs and by being passive and not speaking out in support, it makes us all complicit in their demise, and there is something very un-American about that."

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Jay Mac Williams

I think her favorite word must be "intimidating." Her questions were condescending. I am 55 and tech-savvy with the best of them.

June 04 2014 at 1:11 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply
Jay Mac Williams

What a horrible interviewer!

June 04 2014 at 1:06 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Another frustrating article talking about the problem and offering little to no help in solving the problem. This is fine and good for a select few in Boston, what about the rest of the country?? AARP has been useless and are spending the money they get in traveling overseas to discuss older workers! They have fallen into the same bureaucratic, self-promoting system that seems to prevail in Washington, DC. We need companies around the country to start mentorship and short-term training programs to put the over 50 crowd back to work. Make this the ONLY way companies can get a tax break and watch how fast it gets implemented!! The Chambers of Commerce around the country should be working on this issue and Wall Street should help fund it since they were the cause of many of these people losing their retirement funds as well as their jobs. Most are college degreed or certified professionals that need just a little tweaking to make themselves a useful employee. Many jobs could be done from home offices by these trustworthy employees that understand time management and budget constraints. Any job done in a cubicle can be done in a home office! Most people in this country will now need to work well past the age of 65 and they need a way to make a living!!

July 28 2013 at 11:35 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

great article but then read the articles and they paint a totally different picture.

June 23 2013 at 1:16 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

Great article! First time I've ever said that!

June 20 2013 at 9:13 AM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

train all you want. The jobs are not there

May 01 2013 at 7:59 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

seems the employers dont want to look deep enough into prospective employees back grounds to find out if they are hard workers & the practice of checking someones credit ( especially after being unemployed for a long time ) shows stupidity on thier part ( nothing in means nothing out ) if you really want to know what they are about look deeper into thier back ground and I dont mean some twisted internet search where fantasy and reality collide , check past employers ( like farther back than the one who laid them off to begin with ) but wait that would mean someone would have put forth some effort ( you know scim past the surface and actually do some work ) after all we didnt create this failure in the economy which brought this bundle of #*+p into being we are just the people that were sacrificed to your god of fear and failure so you could servive maybe its time to let us back in before us being out of work costs you in ways you never thouht possible (increased taxes are already a reality ) when you dont work you cant pay your share ......you become a liability instead. just something to think about.

May 01 2013 at 3:53 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply

Is this a case of private business getting involved to solve jobless or is this being funded by the gov?

May 01 2013 at 1:08 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply

What businesses see in older workers is a potential injury and Workman's Comp claim.... It's a ploy some older workers use to get Disability and SSDI..... but it's also a real issue.... older workers are more prone to on-the-job injury or exacerbation of prior injuries or conditions. I have a head-hunter friend to warned me that almost all corporate employers (including chain donut stores) now have people apply online... not in stores. The reason: embedded within computerized applications are "sneaker questions" designed to weed out older applicants, applicants with possible health issues, applicants with child or eldercare issues. These "sneaker questions" weed applicants out at 1st pass. For example, "Are you under 40?" (Legal to ask) "Can you lift 50 lbs?" "What is your method of transportation?" (In some areas, the taking of public transit might indicated a drivers license restriction.) "Do you have any restrictions on your driver license restrictions?" (Could indicate substance abuse convictions or could indicate a person with vision issues or someone who has seizures.) "What hours can you work?" Anyone who answers anything but "any" or "all" means that they may have other obligations (child care, elder care, another job.)

May 01 2013 at 12:22 PM Report abuse +2 rate up rate down Reply
1 reply to legacykwst's comment

too true just discrimination . no matter how you play it , it will cost those who are left working to carry the people who arent wouldnt it be better to put us back to work ? the cost of keeping us alive could destroy the whole house of cards , and why put us out of the working , tax paying process , we maybe older (and I didnt lie to collect workmans comp when I was injured I took it on myself because it was my failure not thiers ( didnt do me any good though now Im unhireable ) maybe when you are sacrifised for the greater good you may have a different view. an old saying goes :they came and took my nieghbors first behind me than in front of me and on both sides also ! and I said nothing about it because it wasnt me , then they came for me....... no one was left to speak up..when everyone figures out this whole economic crisis was devised by the rich so they could become richer then maybe something will be done about it , but wait maybe then will be too late , think about it you may be next.

May 01 2013 at 4:12 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply

I completed a free, vocational pharmacy technician course but the national certification exam costs $130 and the state license costs $150. The few hospital jobs that I have seen require at least one year of hospital experience, national certification and state license. Once I tried asking about an unpaid internship with a hospital but they did not want to interview me. Retail jobs are likewise few and far between, with inadequate hours. Consider free training offered by an actual employer first, if there is such a thing.

May 01 2013 at 12:18 PM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply

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