Guns In The Workplace: Gun Shop Owner And Legislator Face Off [VIDEO]

The only things in life that are certain may be death and taxes, but two issues certain to divide this country are abortion and guns. And with heart rates running high over gun control proposals and how to curb gun violence, AOL Jobs' Lunchtime Live video show featured two unusual gun rights defenders: Debra Maggart, a former Republican lawmaker and Second Amendment champion, who landed on the National Rifle Association blacklist last year; and Michael Cargill a gun shop owner, who is also black, gay and a Democrat.

Cargill told Maggart that guns aren't the problem. "They'll tell you your most heated debates take place on a college campus. I say bollocks," he said in the video (see above). "Your most heated debates take place in the Texas State Capitol. They argue about bills until one, two o'clock in the morning. They all have guns. They all hate each other. And nothing bad has ever happened."

The Blacklisted Pro-Gun Republican

Maggart, former chair of the Republican caucus of the Tennessee House of Representatives, previously had a A+ rating from the NRA. But when a piece of legislation crossed her desk that would make it illegal for employers to ban guns on their property, her commitment to property rights trumped all.

The NRA wasn't very pleased with Maggart's opposition, and spent over $200,000, Maggart claims, to defeat her in her primary. It succeeded.

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The Democratic Gun Shop Owner

Cargill owns Central Texas Gun Works in Austin, Texas, and teaches gun safety classes. But he didn't grow up with guns, he said, and only applied for a concealed handgun license when he was 21, after his grandmother was mugged and raped. He doesn't think his passion for gun rights is in conflict at all with his liberal politics, and is planning on running for a Texas House seat in 2014.

Despite their pro-gun principles, Cargill and Maggart have very different views on gun rights and regulations. In their conversation, they argue over the responsibility of gun sellers, the right to take guns to work, and whether teachers should be allowed to bring concealed firearms to school. Watch the full discussion below; then tell us what you think.

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I could barely understand 1 word in 5 that she was saying due to all the background chatter. if she is going to do an interview she should have sense enough to do so in a quiet room to make her points understood. no wonder she got defeated, that shows she hasn't got a lick of sense!!

March 26 2013 at 1:54 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

64,999,987 gun owners didn't kill anyone yesterday.

January 28 2013 at 4:54 AM Report abuse +5 rate up rate down Reply

I am pro pro second amendment.But I also beleive the property owners have rights

As a property owner. I do beleive it is your right to disallow firearms on your own privately owned property if that is your wish.

However. Walmart or any other publically held corperation is not privately owned

January 28 2013 at 1:40 AM Report abuse +3 rate up rate down Reply

Presidents kids are no different then ours. why cant ours be protected as well...No to GUN CONTROL

January 28 2013 at 1:19 AM Report abuse +7 rate up rate down Reply

Since it's Texas, I need to ask: In this school: Do they allow books?

January 28 2013 at 1:05 AM Report abuse -7 rate up rate down Reply

I don't mind that some want a gun for themselves but I do not understand why they want a gun to go hunting or "sporting" with a gun that shoots that many rounds quickly from one clip. 30 rounds-20-30 seconds. Certainly the need to put a lot of projectiles into a deer or javelina is childish and over the top. There are area along the border I would not begrudge a legal citizen to use and carry a rifle or semiautomatic hand gun at all times while working or checking his property. It has it uses. BUT not for game. I will not deny you your gun except when your gun and your anger or mental state becomes an issue. I feel you have the right to sell your guns when you want but not to whom ever comes a buys them without knowing their criminal back ground. Do you want to be the person who sells your gun to the person who will kill you?. Or to the person who will kill children at the nearest elementary school? Everyone buying a handgun,rifle or shotgun should be cleared on his background check. Not every sane person teaching school should be issued a hand gun. Too bad the NRA is making such a stink trying to protect the NRA's bottom line.

January 28 2013 at 12:33 AM Report abuse -5 rate up rate down Reply
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I hate to tell you but the majority of the states hunting laws limit the weight of a weapon and also limit a body to a 5 round magazine. use of a 30 rd mag on a shooting range is quite possibly the norm but even there I doubt it since it would get in the way of accurate shooting. a 30 rd mag in a home for possible use against several armed men breaking in is more than acceptable to many. I have hunted in oregon where you had better not have more than 5 rds in the weapon. idaho is the same and the weapon cannot weigh more than 15#. take a good look at the western states in particular and you will find them almost all the same when it comes to hunting laws. most legal people who sell a gun do so to someone they know very well so they know that their legal guns won't be used in a crime!!

March 26 2013 at 1:49 PM Report abuse +1 rate up rate down Reply

Cargill is a product of right-wing propaganda. He made his points by ELIMINATING key facts and information that do NOT support his stance.

#1. School districts in Texas allow school employees to have concealed weapons, and have had no problems. ***What he left out. Only ONE school district located in a sparse area near Ft. Worth, and 30 miles from the nearest sheriff's department has done this. Because of the remoteness and length of time for law enforcement to respond, a few school employees have concealed weapons. If you bring in all the facts, it changes the reality of " armed Texas school districts"

#2. Heated debates can be had in public places (like college campuses) without gun fire. **** What he left out was that college populations have majority of young people with high hormonal and emotional personal social issues versus old white guys in the Texas state capital arguing the merits of a bill. When "mental instability" is brought out each time a gun massacre killing happens, you will find college students FILLED with it from personal stress, financial stress, and social interactiion stress.

The shooting a Lone Star Community College near Hosuton Texas this past week occured because one student didn't like the way he was "bumped into" by another student. Gun was drawn, shots were fired, 3 people hit, one person had a heart attack. The good news?? Gun wasn't an assault weapon, nor did the gun have a mega bullet clip. Care to guess how many people would have been hit with a semi-automatic 30-bullet clip? The gun owner did not have a license because the gun was purchased from an individual, which by today's law doesn't require a background check to get a license.

This "Texas Reality" is a perfect example why assualt weapons need to be banned, mega multi-bullet clips banned, armour penatrating ammo banned, universal background checks on EVERY gun purchase (thru a dealer or an individual), and a gun license needed to purchase ammo.

Cargil is just another "private enterprise businessman" that will distort the truth to protect his profits. He and all the right-wing gun nuts can lie all they want, but Tombstones of gun victims don't.

January 27 2013 at 11:52 PM Report abuse -7 rate up rate down Reply

Forget concealed weapons. If someone wants to carry, make them wear it openly on their hip. Let the rest of us know who's carrying and whose not. If someone is so in favor of having a gun, then they should be willing to show it.

January 27 2013 at 11:43 PM Report abuse -4 rate up rate down Reply
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in other words--put a taget on their backs so that they are the first one's shot???

March 26 2013 at 1:50 PM Report abuse rate up rate down Reply

um the only people that matter is the nra ?? what about the general publis dont you think out thoughts and opinions matter?? i belive that if you dont like guns dont buy them but dont try to take away my right to like and defend myself

January 27 2013 at 11:30 PM Report abuse +5 rate up rate down Reply

If it only took $200,000 to defeat this woman in her run for office she must be a pretty sorry excuse for a politican. Most politicians spend that much money on their clothes for their run at an election. She can't blame the NRA for her being a poor politician. This article is stretching to try and use this woman's poor showing at the polls as an example of lobbying by the NRA. There had to be other things that people had against her as a politician.

January 27 2013 at 10:35 PM Report abuse +10 rate up rate down Reply

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